
understand, it was not a smooth discussion about the committee creating these guidelines.
There are some downsides to using sugammadex in regards to contraceptive use and
anaphylaxis but it definitely has its place. We look for documented recovery. would propose
we look at documentation of recovery
■ Gurav Katta (HFHS) via chat: Just adding some info for everyone: Sugammadex patent in the
US expires on January 27th, 2026. After that, I strongly suspect we will see increasing use of
Sugammadex if cost is only barrier.
■ Patrick Henson (Vanderbilt): The broader literature suggests that there is not a large
difference across types of surgery, ASA class etc. It would be nice to have more granularity.
When we brought on sugammadex the cost difference was not that significant compared to
neostigmine. That has changed dramatically. We can look at those scenarios and are looking
internally at what might be reliable and safe and more efficient as well.
● Nirav Shah (MPOG QI Director): I think on the research end there are a slew of studies
that can be done to assess sugammadex use
● Marc Pimentel (Brigham and Women’s): yep $90/200mg vial - easily the most expensive
common med in the bo. need to use quantitative monitoring.
■ Emily Drennan (University of Utah): Besides cost, who is choosing to NOT use sugammadex
and why?
■ Kathy Lauer (Medical College of Wisconsin/Froedtert): We are also most interested in TOF
ratio with recovery.
■ Greg Balfanz (UNC): we have had the crazy issue of the power cable goes missing regularly
from our quantitative monitors (sadly presumed theft as they are apparently of high quality
from a charging standpoint)
■ Patrick Henson (Vanderbilt): We switched as well but also have struggled with damage and
lost devices, and currently cannot easily replace
■ Joseph McComb (Temple) via chat: We switched to 100% quant monitoring. It has taken us
almost two years to acquire equipment and change behavior. Have seen a decrease in
post-op intubation.
■ Karen Domino (University of Washington): The strength of evidence is quite good for these
recommendations. A couple points to have with Quantitative Monitoring: can be finicky,
difference between EMG and AMG technologies. Takes effort to figure out which you want
and then you have to figure out how to implement that technology. With quantitative
monitoring of 0.9 or greater, you do not need to reverse- that reduces the need for
sugammadex. We also saw the data for neostigmine is limited and highly variable which is
why it was defined at minimal block and is recommended only for specific monitoring ratios
of: 0.4-0.9
■ Nirav Shah (MPOG QI Director): Still have work to do at Michigan to make transition to
quantitative monitoring and enable optimal use of sugammadex.
■ Karen Domino (University of Washington) via chat: Safety aspect of monitoring looking for
0.9 or greater TOF ratio prior to extubation. Hard to capture this ratio and there are issues
with delays in viewing the information in EPIC.
■ Garrett Fisher (MyMichigan) via chat: Anyone familiar with a study that looked at decreased
time in OR with sugammadex? Would be another way to justify its use with pharmacy whom